You might be joking, and Quebec still has way, way too many immigrants, but it's the last place in Canada where you can just say "there's too many of them and I don't like them" in polite society
We're doomed, Chris. Its an apocalypse walking down the street every day. But people are very cheery about it, they ride their little eco bikes around the no go zones
I care about housing and house prices. But I actually care MORE about our sense of unity and nation and purpose. Outside of all the damage that over immigration caused including crime, housing, pollution, lower economic standards, over crowded hospitals and schools and services etc.
It is bad most of all because it deracinates and dilutes our national sense of purpose and shared history. We are a nation of strangers. Of foreigners.
"People of Diversity" has a ring to it. PoD could be the brand change that's needed right now to normalize flooding your country with third worlders wanting welfare.
My suspicion (and I wouldn’t bet on it as I can’t predict the future) is that being openly pro-immigration is starting to become somewhat problematic for political elites. The old “plan” of controlled importation and low birth rates was much easier to manage, less likely to cause attrition, and would allow the state to police inflows.
They simply overplayed their hands with the mass immigration since the mid 2020s (especially after Covid when they decided that the 3rd world human slop was going to bail out certain industries).
I hope this is a long run change, but I think they are simply trying to revert to the old plan.
Immigration is best understood as an important secondary input. It added significant demand in years prior to 2022 in Canada and caused important feedbacks in areas like the rental sector. However, monetary policy is a sledgehammer by comparison. Access to credit is one of the key drivers of demand as it determines the percentage of the population which is capable of accessing and repaying a mortgage.
Kevin Erdmann's work on Substack is essential for anyone trying to understand the complexity of housing markets. It's primary focused on the American housing market. He makes the case that although there were ridiculous mortgages issued via the subprime market, government and the market massively overcorrected; shifting the percentage of Americans who would be allowed to take up mortgages given new risk assessment criteria from 80% to 60%.
Immigration's role makes sense when one uses an analogy of musical chairs with an auction. There are 100 chairs and 100 people playing the game. Government added 28 people over time. This caused the cost of the chairs to rise gradually. Interest rate rises removed people from the game following the pandemic. Probably around 20%. This has caused the pressure from the build-up of demand to be somewhat released, but it's also left a significant number of Canadians further removed from the dream of owning their own home.
Housing supply may not be innately inelastic, but it might as well be given the significant number of constraints preventing housing supply from growing, and this is perennial problem everywhere in the developed world other than Japan. Mass migration is a key driver of the largest Ponzi scheme in history, although you are largely correct that it's also a secondary aspect of a system designed to turn young people into unwilling tenants in a rentier economy.
I am generally on the side of things getting worse more slowly, for sure. What you are seeing is hardly a reversal, which is much needed. I am an American of a certain age who knew of the muscular heroics of Canadians, Australians and South Africans who punched way above their weight class. Not that long ago. We have been bullied by inferior people, and that needs to be fixed.
There is no fixing this. Mass deportations in Canada will simply not happen, the lawfare against such a move would result in a near perpetual legal fight and don't forget an army willing to violently protest this is already in the country. I don't know what Canadians can do at this point but it looks to me like Canada is fucked for at least the next 25 years if not in perpetuity.
Im very happy for you that the immigration plan went down from 500k to 360k. However dude, if you have a shrinking population and still 300k immigration, that means real canadians are dying or leaving at a greater clip than 300k last year. That means the native population percentage is going down almost 2% a year.
The targets for permanent residents the government puts out are misleading. There are around 150k people over 2026 and 2027 (combined) being admitted through one-time programs not included in those levels. That makes the numbers look much more like previous years.
It's not clear to me the government has shifted from seeing this primarily as an optics problem.
and this is why Nigel Farage will fail too. Keir Starmer will outflank him because Farage is too much a puss to push the Easy Button, but the left, when their power is at stake, they hold no punches. Always been this way, always will. But the right is so damn afraid of the racist tag, they won't do anything.
Don't tell me that there are people who are falling for the evil Globalists' pretense of ending/limiting their deliberate Kalergi Plan machinations of the great white replacement! The economic migrants, who are actually invaders/illegals/illegal aliens are present in Western countries because they are the replacements for all of the citizens expected to die from the covid shots!:
Are you not aware of this?!
________
THIS is likely coming!:
The WEF Wants Your House to Be Worth ZERO, to Achieve "Net Zero" Carbon
Most Homes and Buildings will Become "Stranded Assets"
God bless Canada god bless the Francophone’s the last bastion Agasint globalism in Canada. /quarter larp/half serious/ quarter joke
You might be joking, and Quebec still has way, way too many immigrants, but it's the last place in Canada where you can just say "there's too many of them and I don't like them" in polite society
Yeah I don’t know what I’m talking about, what ever wilhelmapologist says I parrot that.
Who is that? On Twitter?
We're doomed, Chris. Its an apocalypse walking down the street every day. But people are very cheery about it, they ride their little eco bikes around the no go zones
It ain’t over till it’s over baby! Keep your chin up and fight for Canada!
I care about housing and house prices. But I actually care MORE about our sense of unity and nation and purpose. Outside of all the damage that over immigration caused including crime, housing, pollution, lower economic standards, over crowded hospitals and schools and services etc.
It is bad most of all because it deracinates and dilutes our national sense of purpose and shared history. We are a nation of strangers. Of foreigners.
"People of Diversity" has a ring to it. PoD could be the brand change that's needed right now to normalize flooding your country with third worlders wanting welfare.
My suspicion (and I wouldn’t bet on it as I can’t predict the future) is that being openly pro-immigration is starting to become somewhat problematic for political elites. The old “plan” of controlled importation and low birth rates was much easier to manage, less likely to cause attrition, and would allow the state to police inflows.
They simply overplayed their hands with the mass immigration since the mid 2020s (especially after Covid when they decided that the 3rd world human slop was going to bail out certain industries).
I hope this is a long run change, but I think they are simply trying to revert to the old plan.
Housing prices started to plummet in 2022 BEFORE new Canadian arrivals started to rapidly decrease two years later.
There is no temporal correlation. You have not demonstrated that decreased arrivals caused a change in housing prices.
https://x.com/himmoderator/status/2060017171867095245?s=20
Immigration is best understood as an important secondary input. It added significant demand in years prior to 2022 in Canada and caused important feedbacks in areas like the rental sector. However, monetary policy is a sledgehammer by comparison. Access to credit is one of the key drivers of demand as it determines the percentage of the population which is capable of accessing and repaying a mortgage.
Kevin Erdmann's work on Substack is essential for anyone trying to understand the complexity of housing markets. It's primary focused on the American housing market. He makes the case that although there were ridiculous mortgages issued via the subprime market, government and the market massively overcorrected; shifting the percentage of Americans who would be allowed to take up mortgages given new risk assessment criteria from 80% to 60%.
Immigration's role makes sense when one uses an analogy of musical chairs with an auction. There are 100 chairs and 100 people playing the game. Government added 28 people over time. This caused the cost of the chairs to rise gradually. Interest rate rises removed people from the game following the pandemic. Probably around 20%. This has caused the pressure from the build-up of demand to be somewhat released, but it's also left a significant number of Canadians further removed from the dream of owning their own home.
Housing supply may not be innately inelastic, but it might as well be given the significant number of constraints preventing housing supply from growing, and this is perennial problem everywhere in the developed world other than Japan. Mass migration is a key driver of the largest Ponzi scheme in history, although you are largely correct that it's also a secondary aspect of a system designed to turn young people into unwilling tenants in a rentier economy.
I am generally on the side of things getting worse more slowly, for sure. What you are seeing is hardly a reversal, which is much needed. I am an American of a certain age who knew of the muscular heroics of Canadians, Australians and South Africans who punched way above their weight class. Not that long ago. We have been bullied by inferior people, and that needs to be fixed.
There is no fixing this. Mass deportations in Canada will simply not happen, the lawfare against such a move would result in a near perpetual legal fight and don't forget an army willing to violently protest this is already in the country. I don't know what Canadians can do at this point but it looks to me like Canada is fucked for at least the next 25 years if not in perpetuity.
Im very happy for you that the immigration plan went down from 500k to 360k. However dude, if you have a shrinking population and still 300k immigration, that means real canadians are dying or leaving at a greater clip than 300k last year. That means the native population percentage is going down almost 2% a year.
Shocking
The targets for permanent residents the government puts out are misleading. There are around 150k people over 2026 and 2027 (combined) being admitted through one-time programs not included in those levels. That makes the numbers look much more like previous years.
It's not clear to me the government has shifted from seeing this primarily as an optics problem.
The left is truly evil man. No principles except power
and this is why Nigel Farage will fail too. Keir Starmer will outflank him because Farage is too much a puss to push the Easy Button, but the left, when their power is at stake, they hold no punches. Always been this way, always will. But the right is so damn afraid of the racist tag, they won't do anything.
Don't tell me that there are people who are falling for the evil Globalists' pretense of ending/limiting their deliberate Kalergi Plan machinations of the great white replacement! The economic migrants, who are actually invaders/illegals/illegal aliens are present in Western countries because they are the replacements for all of the citizens expected to die from the covid shots!:
Are you not aware of this?!
________
THIS is likely coming!:
The WEF Wants Your House to Be Worth ZERO, to Achieve "Net Zero" Carbon
Most Homes and Buildings will Become "Stranded Assets"
Igor Chudov
Dec 08, 2022
https://www.igor-chudov.com/p/the-wef-wants-your-house-to-be-worth?utm_source=post-email-title&%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bpublication_id=441185&%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bpost_id=88065258&%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3BisFreemail=true&%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Bamp%3Butm_medium=email
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vOB7-dbYuCc
The turn in Liberal policy began when Trudeau was still in office, for the record. "Too little, too late" being an understatement.