Nice post, Chris. I agree with your core point: Zionists pushing white Americans to go die in another Middle East war on behalf of Israel.
A couple smaller quibbles, though:
1. The elites did not lose in Afghanistan because the goal was never to win there. The goal was to rape the American taxpayer in a forever war to benefit the transnational security state, as Julian Assange so eloquently put it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IGU_7alJ80 . The upper elites got *exactly* what they wanted from the conflict.
2. Here, too, it is important not to conflate real objectives from fake objectives. The real objectives the elites want is Iran *destroyed*, not necessarily *conquered*, so that it cannot pose a threat to Israel again -- just like Iraq and Syria and Libya are all destroyed.
"Victory" in a conflict as "victory" is traditionally understood does not necessarily mean "victory" or "loss" for our elites with their twisted, hidden goals and objectives. (Vietnam was also a victory for them, as it drained massive amounts of blood and treasure from white middle America, even though Vietnam is normally considered a loss).
I just said the same thing. I should have read the comments before commenting, although it never hurts to repeat that chaos is NOT a failure from their perspective, chaos IS a win.
How many Americans do you expect will die as a result of this Iran war? Trump says we bombed and that's it. Iran has not shot at the US and shows no signs of doing so. Chris and your main point is just wrong. No one is dead.
I hate all of these bastards. Gingrich, Ackman, the Cheneys--lying bastards. Look at Afghanistan now. Civilians killed in mass. We have disabled veterans from that shit show and still no one learns the lessons. What happened to the Vietnam protesters of the 60's, instead we have these wimps out there crying about keeping violent migrants in our country. Clean up the streets and send them to fight in Iran--that'll wake them up.
The difference is that the jews want these wars but didn't want Vietnam. All the movements of the 60s were astroturfed by jews from women's lib to civil rights to anti-Vietnam to upending the 200-year immigration policy. They utterly wrecked America in the 60s.
They don't expect to "win" and they don't care. They just want destabilizing chaos in the region which is to Israel's advantage. They got what they wanted in Afghanistan and Iraq, these were not failures *at all* in their view.
They'll feed more American young people into that meat grinder and laugh while doing it. They're itching to do it.
I think he means "the US should drop bunker busters on Fordow", not "US troops should die invading Iran". In any case, it's just not relevant what he thinks. Trump calls the shots here.
do you think if America drops bunker buster on Fordow that their involvement will be limited to just “a bomber or two for a few days”? or will it probably take more than a few days and more than a bomber or two?
Limited to a bomber or two for a few days. Trump doesn’t want to get involved in a big war and Israel is capable of hitting everything except possibly Fordow. Iran did try to kill Trump so he might have a grudge, but I think he’d rather let Israel do the dirty work.
Trump vetoed the whole Israeli strike until he green lit it. So far he has vetoed killing Khamenei. He’ll just let Israel kill Khamenei.
The primary purpose of the attack is to destroy Iran’s nuclear program. Overthrowing the “Death to America” communist theocracy that tried to assassinate Trump and building Trump Tower in Tehran would certainly be nice. But that’s not the primary point of the attacks. The attacks will go until there is no nuclear threat from Iran.
I’m not worried about “escalation”. Iran is losing. Israel can and will defeat them. What exactly is Iran gonna do to escalate? They’ve already lost a third of their ballistic missiles.
This has not aged so well in the last week. The US dropped a few bunker busters and Israel handles the rest. Israel has total air supremacy over Tehran and is bombing the IRGC headquarters. lol
Israel will escalate. However, it won't drag the US in.
You were right that Israel's goal is regime change, not just removing the nuclear program. If the regime sticks around, they will try to threaten Israel again.
Bill Ackman: a clown with no military service or expertise, wants to send the children of OTHER Americans, not his own four, to die in Iran. Fuck him and the tricycle he's riding in on.
Jews... "hello fellow Iranians, we should overthrow our government." Never ends with these jews. White people need to tell them to STFU and any rep who dares represent them instead of us needs to be roundly rejected if not tried for some sort of crime.
Good overview , I don’t agree with your conclusions. This is not ww3 and their allies are not their real allies what has Putin done other than take ? Eliminating their nuclear program is a gift to the world. To compare this to US Iraq & afghan wars is the incorrect comparison. Especially as you mention the incorrect us intel regarding saadams WMD. Iran had the ability to break out very shortly and has continuously lied about it for years. You make it seem that we can actually ignore it & what is your alternative keep accepting their lies ,hiding , aiding & abetting terror & unrest across the region ??
Listen to Glenn Greenwald recounting the years and years and years of Israel-backer reports that Iran was "weeks / months" away from nukes. Another meat grinder for American boys is not a "gift to the world" it's a gift to Israel and no one else.
Tabloid like headline and premise. The nukes just blow up in the middle of the night (bombed) and it’s over. It wouldn’t be the first. There’s no war with Iran, no territory to take, occupy and no regime to topple.
The true thrust of the article is summarizing the goofy neocons polluting the conversation - just going completely off topic, diverging from reality. You’ve done a top notch job of exposing them.
Anyone in the world can bomb Iran and they can’t do a thing about it. If you have an objective, now is the time. They spent all the money the Democrats gave them on proxy wars. They have 10% of the world’s oil and 15% of the world‘s natural gas yet they have an energy crisis where people are freezing to death. It’s a completely dysfunctional place that has taken a multitude of L’s in recent years. It turned out you can actually destroy the enemy with low effort.
No one cares what they have to say. They’ve either been removed from influence or become a gay democrat hybrid like Bill Kristol. The “Israel’s War(s)” panic type is low IQ and low fortitude
I like Lee Smith's take a lot better... it begins:
"The main reason Israel’s massive attack on Iranian leadership, nuclear facilities, and other targets came as a surprise is that no one believes American presidents when they talk about protecting Americans and advancing our interests—especially when they’re talking about the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Ever since the 1979 Iranian Revolution, U.S. presidents have wanted an accommodation with Iran—not revenge for holding 52 Americans captive for 444 days, but comity. Ronald Reagan told Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall, but when the Iranians’ Lebanese ally Hezbollah killed 17 Americans at the U.S. embassy in Beirut and 241 at the Marine barracks in 1983, he flinched. Bill Clinton wanted a deal with Iran so badly, he helped hide the Iranians’ sponsorship of the group that killed 19 airmen at Khobar Towers in 1996. George W. Bush turned a blind eye to Tehran’s depredations as Shia militias backed by Iran killed hundreds of U.S. troops in Iraq, while Iran’s Syrian ally Bashar al-Assad chartered buses to transport Sunni fighters from the Damascus airport to the Iraqi border, where they joined the hunt for Americans. Barack Obama’s signature foreign policy initiative was the Iran nuclear deal—designed not, as he promised, to stop Tehran’s nuclear weapons program, but to legalize it and protect it under the umbrella of an international agreement, backed by the United States.
Tablet was launched in 2009 as ''an online outlet about Jewish life and identity'' so it isn't exactly a surprise that the conclusion of this article you linked is that '' Israel's massive attack on Iranian leadership significantly enhanced America's peace''
The genesis of Tablet doesn't change the fact that Obama had two people he relentlessly tried to destroy: (a) Trump; (2) Netanyahu. We all know what Obama was. And he's the architect of this debacle.
Well, I was going to compliment you on delivering a critique of Israel's war policies and US's Israel policy that managed not to use what I called "the magic Z word" and the "magic G word."
now do how many dual israeli citizens are in congress. then do how many politicians are owned by AIPAC. then do who owns the msm. then read the talmud.
Tucker forecasted thousands of dead from this war and you seemed pretty focused that that would be the result yet 🙄
Why does Israel trigger you so?
There is no other nation in the world that has a stronger, longer-standing, and better-documented connection to its land than the Jewish people has to the Land of Israel, and this connection and right do not require the affirmation of foreign governments.
Israel acts in accordance with international law. The establishment of a Jewish state in the Jewish people's ancient homeland, including the settlement by Jews on the land, was clearly recognized in the British Mandate, which was adopted by the League of Nations in 1922. Under the Mandate, the right of the Jewish people to build their national home extended to the entire territory of "Mandatory Palestine."
These rights were preserved under Article 80 of the UN Charter.
Thanks for making explicit the stupid side of MAGA. However, you're already in a war, Chris. It started in Afghanistan, the Islamists (Arab and Persian) have taken it to us from there to New York and we've surrendered our way all across the Middle East. You want to surrender again, but neither the (Israelis nor the Ukrainians) want to be your sacrifice. You can't surrender your way out this war. There's only one solution to war: win.
"In 2006, he said his only regret was that the U.S. hadn’t killed enough civilians."
Based on what you quoted, Chris, that isn't what he said. I don't know what the rest of the context around the quote is, but from what you put in the article there are many ways of parsing that, and "My only regret is that we didn't kill enough civilians" is far down the list of most likely what was meant. If there is context that makes it more likely what was meant you should include that in the quote.
I bring it up because when you do things like that it kills your credibility. I've been a subscriber for years and I think you do good work, but behavior like that makes you seem more like the average journalist with a story goal they are going to back the facts into no matter what to serve their narrative.
Thanks for the link. I mean, goddamn, what an annoying writing style that man has, but yea, I don’t read any of that as “My only regret was that the US hadn’t killed enough civilians.” Not at all. His argument seems to be that we might be unable to fight wars as we used to due to excessive concern for damage to the civilians of nations we are at war with, especially when those nations actively use civilians as human shields. That has been a reasonable concern since the early 90’s at least, since Muslim antagonists developed a habit of hiding troops in amongst civilians.
I don’t know that the guy isn’t a scum bag, mind you, that’s not my claim. But seeing the entire article now, thank you again, Chris really misquoted him. There is a huge difference between wishing you killed more civilians for the sake of killing them and saying we might be overly concerned with civilian casualties if we want to actually win wars, especially against people who are apparently not at all concerned.
Nice post, Chris. I agree with your core point: Zionists pushing white Americans to go die in another Middle East war on behalf of Israel.
A couple smaller quibbles, though:
1. The elites did not lose in Afghanistan because the goal was never to win there. The goal was to rape the American taxpayer in a forever war to benefit the transnational security state, as Julian Assange so eloquently put it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IGU_7alJ80 . The upper elites got *exactly* what they wanted from the conflict.
2. Here, too, it is important not to conflate real objectives from fake objectives. The real objectives the elites want is Iran *destroyed*, not necessarily *conquered*, so that it cannot pose a threat to Israel again -- just like Iraq and Syria and Libya are all destroyed.
"Victory" in a conflict as "victory" is traditionally understood does not necessarily mean "victory" or "loss" for our elites with their twisted, hidden goals and objectives. (Vietnam was also a victory for them, as it drained massive amounts of blood and treasure from white middle America, even though Vietnam is normally considered a loss).
I just said the same thing. I should have read the comments before commenting, although it never hurts to repeat that chaos is NOT a failure from their perspective, chaos IS a win.
How many Americans do you expect will die as a result of this Iran war? Trump says we bombed and that's it. Iran has not shot at the US and shows no signs of doing so. Chris and your main point is just wrong. No one is dead.
What contemptible B.S. Stop cowering. Here's the reality from the Free Press:
https://www.thefp.com/p/trump-churchill-iran-nuclear-arsenal-israel-foreign-policy?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
I hate all of these bastards. Gingrich, Ackman, the Cheneys--lying bastards. Look at Afghanistan now. Civilians killed in mass. We have disabled veterans from that shit show and still no one learns the lessons. What happened to the Vietnam protesters of the 60's, instead we have these wimps out there crying about keeping violent migrants in our country. Clean up the streets and send them to fight in Iran--that'll wake them up.
The difference is that the jews want these wars but didn't want Vietnam. All the movements of the 60s were astroturfed by jews from women's lib to civil rights to anti-Vietnam to upending the 200-year immigration policy. They utterly wrecked America in the 60s.
They don't expect to "win" and they don't care. They just want destabilizing chaos in the region which is to Israel's advantage. They got what they wanted in Afghanistan and Iraq, these were not failures *at all* in their view.
They'll feed more American young people into that meat grinder and laugh while doing it. They're itching to do it.
I think he means "the US should drop bunker busters on Fordow", not "US troops should die invading Iran". In any case, it's just not relevant what he thinks. Trump calls the shots here.
do you think if America drops bunker buster on Fordow that their involvement will be limited to just “a bomber or two for a few days”? or will it probably take more than a few days and more than a bomber or two?
Limited to a bomber or two for a few days. Trump doesn’t want to get involved in a big war and Israel is capable of hitting everything except possibly Fordow. Iran did try to kill Trump so he might have a grudge, but I think he’d rather let Israel do the dirty work.
Trump vetoed the whole Israeli strike until he green lit it. So far he has vetoed killing Khamenei. He’ll just let Israel kill Khamenei.
what if Iran doesn't change their regime after a few days of bombing? will Israel give up? Or escalate?
The primary purpose of the attack is to destroy Iran’s nuclear program. Overthrowing the “Death to America” communist theocracy that tried to assassinate Trump and building Trump Tower in Tehran would certainly be nice. But that’s not the primary point of the attacks. The attacks will go until there is no nuclear threat from Iran.
I’m not worried about “escalation”. Iran is losing. Israel can and will defeat them. What exactly is Iran gonna do to escalate? They’ve already lost a third of their ballistic missiles.
Israel cannot do diddly. They can kick Iran, run away, and howl for the U.S. to beat Iran up on their behalf.
Huh? They seem to have done a lot already. See this New York Times article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/12/world/middleeast/israel-iran-strikes.html
This has not aged so well in the last week. The US dropped a few bunker busters and Israel handles the rest. Israel has total air supremacy over Tehran and is bombing the IRGC headquarters. lol
Israel will escalate. However, it won't drag the US in.
You were right that Israel's goal is regime change, not just removing the nuclear program. If the regime sticks around, they will try to threaten Israel again.
oh honey. this is so naive.
Feel free to buy YES here.
https://polymarket.com/event/will-the-united-states-officially-declare-war-on-iran-before-july?tid=1750101378758
Buy NO here, you must think there is less than 50/50 of a deal.
https://polymarket.com/event/us-x-iran-nuclear-deal-in-2025?tid=1750101954848
I was right. US involvement is limited to just the bomber.
Bill Ackman: a clown with no military service or expertise, wants to send the children of OTHER Americans, not his own four, to die in Iran. Fuck him and the tricycle he's riding in on.
Fucking Jews will let everyone in the world die to satisfy their greed and blood lusts for their Daddy Satan.
Jews... "hello fellow Iranians, we should overthrow our government." Never ends with these jews. White people need to tell them to STFU and any rep who dares represent them instead of us needs to be roundly rejected if not tried for some sort of crime.
Good overview , I don’t agree with your conclusions. This is not ww3 and their allies are not their real allies what has Putin done other than take ? Eliminating their nuclear program is a gift to the world. To compare this to US Iraq & afghan wars is the incorrect comparison. Especially as you mention the incorrect us intel regarding saadams WMD. Iran had the ability to break out very shortly and has continuously lied about it for years. You make it seem that we can actually ignore it & what is your alternative keep accepting their lies ,hiding , aiding & abetting terror & unrest across the region ??
Listen to Glenn Greenwald recounting the years and years and years of Israel-backer reports that Iran was "weeks / months" away from nukes. Another meat grinder for American boys is not a "gift to the world" it's a gift to Israel and no one else.
What a difference a weeks make …
Jews are all Zionists, and they are all liars.
Tabloid like headline and premise. The nukes just blow up in the middle of the night (bombed) and it’s over. It wouldn’t be the first. There’s no war with Iran, no territory to take, occupy and no regime to topple.
Who said anything about nukes? Iraq and Syria lost programs to regular bombs, South Africa quit theirs under pressure, etc
The true thrust of the article is summarizing the goofy neocons polluting the conversation - just going completely off topic, diverging from reality. You’ve done a top notch job of exposing them.
Anyone in the world can bomb Iran and they can’t do a thing about it. If you have an objective, now is the time. They spent all the money the Democrats gave them on proxy wars. They have 10% of the world’s oil and 15% of the world‘s natural gas yet they have an energy crisis where people are freezing to death. It’s a completely dysfunctional place that has taken a multitude of L’s in recent years. It turned out you can actually destroy the enemy with low effort.
No one cares what they have to say. They’ve either been removed from influence or become a gay democrat hybrid like Bill Kristol. The “Israel’s War(s)” panic type is low IQ and low fortitude
I like Lee Smith's take a lot better... it begins:
"The main reason Israel’s massive attack on Iranian leadership, nuclear facilities, and other targets came as a surprise is that no one believes American presidents when they talk about protecting Americans and advancing our interests—especially when they’re talking about the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Ever since the 1979 Iranian Revolution, U.S. presidents have wanted an accommodation with Iran—not revenge for holding 52 Americans captive for 444 days, but comity. Ronald Reagan told Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall, but when the Iranians’ Lebanese ally Hezbollah killed 17 Americans at the U.S. embassy in Beirut and 241 at the Marine barracks in 1983, he flinched. Bill Clinton wanted a deal with Iran so badly, he helped hide the Iranians’ sponsorship of the group that killed 19 airmen at Khobar Towers in 1996. George W. Bush turned a blind eye to Tehran’s depredations as Shia militias backed by Iran killed hundreds of U.S. troops in Iraq, while Iran’s Syrian ally Bashar al-Assad chartered buses to transport Sunni fighters from the Damascus airport to the Iraqi border, where they joined the hunt for Americans. Barack Obama’s signature foreign policy initiative was the Iran nuclear deal—designed not, as he promised, to stop Tehran’s nuclear weapons program, but to legalize it and protect it under the umbrella of an international agreement, backed by the United States.
That all changed with Donald Trump..."
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/normal-president-donald-trump-iran
Tablet was launched in 2009 as ''an online outlet about Jewish life and identity'' so it isn't exactly a surprise that the conclusion of this article you linked is that '' Israel's massive attack on Iranian leadership significantly enhanced America's peace''
they have an explicitly Zionist agenda
The genesis of Tablet doesn't change the fact that Obama had two people he relentlessly tried to destroy: (a) Trump; (2) Netanyahu. We all know what Obama was. And he's the architect of this debacle.
Well, I was going to compliment you on delivering a critique of Israel's war policies and US's Israel policy that managed not to use what I called "the magic Z word" and the "magic G word."
Oh well.
Uh-huh. Which U.S. senators and representatives put up Iranian flags in their offices and wear Iranian lapel pins? none.
Now do Israel.
now do how many dual israeli citizens are in congress. then do how many politicians are owned by AIPAC. then do who owns the msm. then read the talmud.
Fuck the Jews all the way to Hell, home sweet home, Jesus will finish what He started- mark it.
Tucker forecasted thousands of dead from this war and you seemed pretty focused that that would be the result yet 🙄
Why does Israel trigger you so?
There is no other nation in the world that has a stronger, longer-standing, and better-documented connection to its land than the Jewish people has to the Land of Israel, and this connection and right do not require the affirmation of foreign governments.
Israel acts in accordance with international law. The establishment of a Jewish state in the Jewish people's ancient homeland, including the settlement by Jews on the land, was clearly recognized in the British Mandate, which was adopted by the League of Nations in 1922. Under the Mandate, the right of the Jewish people to build their national home extended to the entire territory of "Mandatory Palestine."
These rights were preserved under Article 80 of the UN Charter.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-166170589
Thanks for making explicit the stupid side of MAGA. However, you're already in a war, Chris. It started in Afghanistan, the Islamists (Arab and Persian) have taken it to us from there to New York and we've surrendered our way all across the Middle East. You want to surrender again, but neither the (Israelis nor the Ukrainians) want to be your sacrifice. You can't surrender your way out this war. There's only one solution to war: win.
"In 2006, he said his only regret was that the U.S. hadn’t killed enough civilians."
Based on what you quoted, Chris, that isn't what he said. I don't know what the rest of the context around the quote is, but from what you put in the article there are many ways of parsing that, and "My only regret is that we didn't kill enough civilians" is far down the list of most likely what was meant. If there is context that makes it more likely what was meant you should include that in the quote.
I bring it up because when you do things like that it kills your credibility. I've been a subscriber for years and I think you do good work, but behavior like that makes you seem more like the average journalist with a story goal they are going to back the facts into no matter what to serve their narrative.
Read the whole thing...
https://nypost.com/2006/07/25/too-nice-to-win-israels-dilemma/
Thanks for the link. I mean, goddamn, what an annoying writing style that man has, but yea, I don’t read any of that as “My only regret was that the US hadn’t killed enough civilians.” Not at all. His argument seems to be that we might be unable to fight wars as we used to due to excessive concern for damage to the civilians of nations we are at war with, especially when those nations actively use civilians as human shields. That has been a reasonable concern since the early 90’s at least, since Muslim antagonists developed a habit of hiding troops in amongst civilians.
I don’t know that the guy isn’t a scum bag, mind you, that’s not my claim. But seeing the entire article now, thank you again, Chris really misquoted him. There is a huge difference between wishing you killed more civilians for the sake of killing them and saying we might be overly concerned with civilian casualties if we want to actually win wars, especially against people who are apparently not at all concerned.
If they can target scientists, why aren't they targeting leadership?